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Friday, February 18th 2011

9:43 AM

An Open Letter To "The Realist Leo": Discourses Upon The Game, Vol. 1

NOTE: Over the past month or so at a blog I hangout at called Very Smart Brothas, I had noticed a frequent commenter who refers to himself as "The Realist Leo". TRL would often register his problems, complaints, frustration and yes, bitterness over his failure to achieve success in the dating market. His laments have earned him something of a cult-like status over there; his very screen name is now synonymous with the VSB phrase "Bitter Man".

Although a number of VSB commenters attempted to offer advice to TRL, something to be lauded for sure, I for one could easily see that it wasn't going to be effective - for one thing, the bulk and mass of this advice, such as it was, was coming from the female participants of the forum - which right off the bat, spelled all but certain doom for TRL. Given how long he had been complaining, I suspect my observations of those giving the advice were correct.

Even more recently, during an exchange with one of the VSBs, Panama Jackson, it became clear to me that it was not his or VSB's mission to assist Men like TRL. After a lot of thought about the matter, and after consulting with a few trusted friends, I came to the conclusion that if guys like TRL are to be helped at all, or at least the hope for it, it would be, because of guys like me, who not only cared, but actually knew how to help. This, then, is the first of what I hope will be a series of open letters to TRL, and all the other Brothas out there like him, who find themselves on a desert island in a sea of plenty.

To The Realist Leo,
As promised, here I am to assist you in achieving your sexual, romantic and relationship goals - in that order. And why, specifically, in that order, you may ask? Because as Men, we understand that things usually flow in such an order, *and we need not apologize in the least for that*. As you may be aware, I've been reading your comments at VSB for sometime now; since at least Dec of last year, to present - and you have expressed a litany of concerns and laments, grievances and complaints, as to your woes in the dating and mating sphere. Hopefully, what I write today, and what's to come over the next few weeks (perhaps longer, depending on where you are and what you need), you will find most helpful on your path to happiness - because make no mistake TRL, happiness for a Man, and the closest thing any Man can come to Heaven on this Earth, in this life, is to be found between a Woman's thighs.

As I've already said, I've read quite a bit of your VSB comments (and the reactions to them from other VSB members) and have come to the conclusion that I cannot do proper justice to them all in the form of only one open letter posting on this blog - therefore, I've decided to proceed in serial posting format, where I go from the general to the specific, addressing your particular concerns as time goes by, week by week. For Game isn't something that can be learnt in lickety-split fashion, I believe; it takes time to both learn that, and to UNLEARN all the "blue pills" you've been spoonfed over all these years - about the sexes, about Women especially - what turns them on, how to approach them, how to get the ones you actually want, how to get them to say "Yes!". Game, is the "red pill", and it is some powerful stuff - but in order to properly understand it, and in order to properly wield it, you need to take the time to actually study it.

So, in this kickoff open letter post, I'm going to address what I think you need to get and understand first and foremost; some of the basics of Game, what it is, who I am, and so forth. So, let's get right to it...

What, is Game? You've heard the term, I'm sure - indeed, the term is constantly used in Black America, and was no doubt appropriated by White PUAs (Pickup Artists) after observing the time-honored ways with Women that Black Men are virtually universally known for. And to be sure, with the "macking/pimping" subculture that has been a part of Black American life for the better part of a century at least, and the fact that it is alive and well in our time, we can safely say that there is something to be said for all of this.

But, the sad truth of it, and this is where you and Brothas like you come in, is that the above statements are actually only applicable to a rather small slice of Black Men overall; a dirty little secret amongst the Brothahood is, that if you're actually IN the hood, when it comes to Women, its either feast or famine - you're either swimming in vaj, or you're pussy-parched, for real.

Nor is this anything new - like I said, the mack/pimping subculture in Black America has been around for a very long time. So too has the phrase "the game is to be sold, not told" - meaning, that those who had knowledge of the Crimson Arts, not only kept it to themselves on the quiet, but fiercely fought to keep other Men from getting wind of it. I know you know what I'm talking about here, and every other Black Man who is reading along will instantly recognize it as well - for not only did Game in its modern sense get its beginnings - at the least, a very big push - in Black America, but, at least as far as Black America is concerned, it also has had this definining quality to it. And once an idea catches on and "lives" within a community over a number of years, people forget about how it came about; it just "is", and people accept that as part of the way of things. So this explains, in part, WHY you were unable to get the answers you sought over at VSB; WHY your fellow Black colleagues mocked and made fun of you, and so forth. None of this is new in the least, to so many Black Men in our time. Game, in its modern form, is here to help Brothas specifically like you - because if there's one type of Brotha who is hurting really bad in this time of Poon-a-Plenty, its the somewhat Nerdy Brotha. But fear not. We're gonna fix that.

Game, simply defined, is a mating strategy - a constellation of behaviors, language, actions and school of thought, all designed with the goal of winning the SEXUAL ATTRACTION of a Woman. This is hugely important; go back to what I said earlier: sexual, romantic, relationship - right? In the mating dance, EVERYTHING starts at the sexual level; if it ain't sexual, NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS. In order for things to happen between male and female, there must be sexual attraction and tension. If not, you wind up with being put in the Friend Zone (something you have an intimate familiarity with). In Game parlance, they call it being "LJBF'd" (Let's Just Be Friends). Human beings, like every other living thing on the planet, has a mating strategy, or a series of them - and when you really break it down, of all the things all living beings on this planet does and can do, them mating is the most important. Why? Because, without them mating, their species will cease to exist.

Game is a way to assist Men achieve their biological imperative to mate. It's as simple as that. In my view, it is the most accurate, efficient and proven method of doing so. Of course, others may disagree, and you even may have some trepidations in that regard. But as you will soon see, Game is no joke. Even a Man who has what a colleague of mine, The Fifth Horseman, calls "moderate Game competence" is lightyears ahead of the competition, with the attendant success in the dating marketplace to prove it.

Moreover, let me make something clear here: I speak from experience. I have actually used Game to achieve my sexual, romantic and relationship goals. In fact, I am doing it, as I type these words. Nothing I say here, or in the letters to come, is borne of disjointed or otherwise arid academic theory, or the flights of quasi-metaphysical fancy, the latter of which are hugely popular in the Black community, given that the relationship "self-help" market is driven by and caters to, Black Women - but rather, rooted in cutting-edge Human Sciences such as Evolutionary Psychology and others, field-tested numerous times under a plethora of conditions, and confirms the Wisdom of the Ages - yes, Game is in the world's sacred texts, too. And it's best known literature. In fact, Game, like the mythical Matrix, is all around us, ever present. Hence one of my favorite Maxims: anywhere, anytime, anyplace you see Male and Female, there too, you shall also see Game.

So, rest assured that what you're getting here is the real deal, chief. If I tell you thus and so, you can take it to the bank.

Now, let's move on to a few other things...

Before we get to the specifics of your particular situation, we need to get your head in the right space. Here is where I need you to trust me, and to trust what I'm saying to you will indeed prove effective. What you have been doing up to this point - and that includes your recent internet activities - have not proven effective. This is a sign that you must consider doing something different - drastically different - in order for you to get the results you seek.

Therefore, I recommend that you get the following books:

The Game, by Neil "Style" Strauss

The Evolution of Desire, by David Buss

The Red Queen, by Matt Ridley

The Mystery Method, by Erik "Mystery" von Markovic

Pimp, by Iceberg Slim

The Art of Seduction, by Robert Greene

Consider these to be your "core curricula" if you will, as we will be drawing on these works, and/or the things we discuss can be found within these works' pages. For the Gamesman, they are required reading - you do NOT know Game in the least, if you haven't read these works, TRL. Please do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Oh, and while we're on that point, let me say something else: you can and will encounter people who will attempt to poo-poo what you're doing, based on their own ignorance; don't fall for it. In fact, it's probably best that you keep all of this to yourself; the naysayers will soon see the results for themselves.

At any rate, everything I'm telling you and will tell you, can be traced back to one or more of the books on the list above, and as we progress further in addressing your concerns, I'll mention other books and attendant sources for you to look up. Oh, and there are at least two Internet sources I can personally recommend at this time for you to puruse at your leisrure, and which will serve to augment the reading list above: two blogs. One is called Hooking Up Smart, founded and run by Susan Walsh, the only Woman I know personally that actually has studied Game materials to any degree; and the other is a blog called The Rawness, created by a Brotha up in Brooklyn named T aka Ricky Raw. He in fact has written a series of posts where he discusses Iceberg Slim's immortal work Pimp, and Ms. Walsh's blog is a clearinghouse of information on dating and relationships; simply put, arguably the best out there in terms of bringing realworld scientific fact, evidence and research, to the dating and mating market.

I almost forgot - you might want to get Thomas Sowell's book on economics, too. Why? Because the sexual marketplace operates on the same principles as the monetary one does. The more you understand this, the more you understand the SMP, and the better you are able to leverage your own specific "product" to get you what you want.

And, we will address your specific concerns - such as, why would a Woman invite you out to dinner, then expect you to pay for it? Or, why so many Women either laud your intelligence and then put you in the Friend Zone, or, they ridicule you for being "too smart" - either situation ending up with you being out in the cold? Or why what you say you want never seems to align with what you actually get. Or, why you can never seem to be in the right place at the right time to meet the right kinds of Women you actually want to meet. All of these things, and more (such as the height thing - don't believe the hype, being a shorter guy has virtually no bearing on your ability to score -IF you have Game), we'll be dealing with in the weeks to come. I've got all your comments over the past few months saved to my hard drive, and each week we'll deal with a few in detail, referring back to our reading list and so forth. So again, don't worry. Brothas gonna work it out.

See ya next week.

Now adjourn your asses...

The Obsidian

54 comment(s).

Posted by Y:

I'm actually reading The Art of Seduction and it's and it's an excellent book. I can't stop talking about it. I actually tried a method and it worked. Some of my friends rolled their eyes when I explained the premise of the book and the subject matter.

The dirty little secret about sex and romance is people like mystery and a bit if tension. Hardly anyone is attracted to people who lay everything out on the table, all at one time. Despite statements to the contrary people like to be take for a ride in their relationships.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 10:36 AM

Posted by Y:

Also, insecurity is the root of all evil when it comes to Sex, especially for men.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 10:37 AM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hi Y,
Yea, TAOS is an excellent book and not necessarily geared to either gender/sex; both Men and Women can learn a lot from it. Ditto on everything else you said, too. I think as time advances and science unravels more and more of the mating dance, it'll get harder and harder to remain blissfully ignorant of what turns us on and why.

By the way, how's your astrology studies coming along?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 11:09 AM

Posted by Chuck:

I know you have a long-burning hatred for Roissy now, but if you were really keen on pointing this man towards the best Game advice, you would have mentioned that blog. This post becomes something like a greatest hits '60s music compilation that doesn't have any music from the Beatles on it.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 12:41 PM

Posted by Kid W/Golden Arms:

there are other authors besides iceberg slim that give some good insight into game, but following slims works will lead him to other authors such as bilbo gohlson,etc,etc. Other men are simply underground, but what you posted was a very good start.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 1:07 PM

Posted by peter parker:

i'll be checking in as well.

i've skimmed TAOS before, i'll re-read it to follow along...but does Alan R. Currie's "Mode One" fit as an addendum to study?
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 1:23 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hi Chuck,
Actually, I don't have a long-burning hatred for Roissy. I just don't think he's good for anyone who wishes to see how any of this applies in the main to Black people, for Black Men and wrt Black Women in particular. Roissy doesn't address this and has no desire to in the three years-plus I've seen him, and that's OK. That's why I mentioned Ricky Raw, and that's why I'll be pretty much addressing things along these lines myself.

I have a lot of respect for Roissy's knowledge of Game. But I cannot and will not cotton to his blatant racism, or misogyny, and I won't turn anyone on to that either.

Next question?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 1:26 PM

Posted by Chuck:

"I won't turn anyone on to that either."

I mean, you wouldn't have either way. The point is merely academic.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 1:57 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hi Pete,
Thanks for dropping by and welcome aboard! To be honest, I'd never heard of Currie until you mentioned him. I've spent a bit of time purusing his stuff online; his "Mode One" book seems to focus all on what is known as Direct Game, which I see nothing intrinsically wrong with. However, I am a bit apprehensive about jumping in with both feet with Currie. I need to do a bit more investigation, but based on a few things I've read that he's written thus far, his review of the film Blue Valentine being among them, I am not at all sure he's all that. I've added his Mode One book to my Amazon shopping cart and will pick it up (no pun intended) and may give it a review somewhere down the line. How did you find out about him and what do you think of the book?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 2:05 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hi Chuck,
No, I meant what I said: Roissy's racism and misogyny aren't something I wish to promote, and that's just a few of the real problems I have with the guy. I support his right to be heard, and I respect his knowledge of Game. But in that he intertwines it with his other views, most of which I personally find un-necessarily cruel and repugnant, I will not participate in such a thing, nor will I advise anyone to check him out.

Now, how about you actually contributing something to the discussion, hmm?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 2:07 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hey KG,
Thanks for dropping by! And thanks for the additional references, I'll be sure to look em up and possibly give em all book reviews here at the O-Files. Thanks again!

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 2:11 PM

Posted by dragnet:

Good advice. I would also advise him to go to www.realassanova.com for Game advice. I'm pretty partial to Assanova, as his style of Game closely resembles my own.

Even more important that learning Game, I would tell this guy to get to work on his physical appearance. See a dermatologist to get rid his acne, see a dentist to get his teeth whitened, lift weights a few times a week, and run a few miles every other day. Buy nice clothes and have them tailored to fit his shape. Do whatever needs to be done. No doubt looks tend to be more important to men, but they aren't irrelevant to women and I've gotten a lot mileage out of my looks. In fact, I would say that 60-70 percent of the time I'm trading purely on my physical attractiveness. Trust me, it's worth the investment.

It's not just about the ladies, it's also about being the best man you can be (as corny as that is). You do that, and the women will come as a matter of course.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 4:29 PM

Posted by The Deuce:

To add to dragnet's point about looks, it's not so much about looking pretty, but looking fit and confident. How you carry yourself matters a lot. Chest out, head up, standing straight back arched, shoulders at your sides and wide and not slumped forward, etc. Working out will help you carry yourself that way naturally, but it's good to practice.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 4:39 PM

Posted by Chuck:

My contribution to your discussion is that it would be better if you'd have mentioned Roissy. But besides that, giving the young man the information you've provided is better than what he had before. So overall, you've given him a good introduction. Just could have been a little better. That's my contribution.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 4:40 PM

Posted by dragnet:

@ The Deuce

All true...but I swear to God it helps to be pretty. Be as good-looking as you can be. Work your genes to the max---you won't be sorry.

I would also tell this guy to be careful about venue selection. Don't try to hit on women in clubs, even the hottest guys have trouble there because the music is loud so you can't be heard and 50 other guys are hitting on her so her so she's already got her validation high. Don't hit on women in environments where there are more single men than women, etc. Pick your spots wisely, places were you can stand out, etc.

Last thing: DAY GAME. DAY GAME. And more DAY GAME. If you have looks you will often blow away your considerably diminished competition during the day time.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 4:47 PM

Posted by peter parker:


i'm currently reading it now, right now it kind of simplifies the attitudes men have towards women they wish to date into 4 modes, 1 being optimal. from what i know of TRL, he'd probably be between 3-4 (i would be between 2-3, so i have things i need to work on). i haven't got into the solutions to reach mode 1 yet, but it's a decent read. probably something to digest after the first set of books.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 4:51 PM

Posted by The Deuce:

Also, O alluded to this already, but you should practically *never* listen to girls' advice on how to turn them on.

For one thing, most of them truly don't know. Most of the advice they give, even when they aren't knowingly lying, is stuff that they wish guys they're already attracted to would do for them (For example, when a girl who keeps dating jerks says "I wish I could just meet a nice guy!" what it really means is that she wishes that the guys she's turned on by [jerks] would be nice to her).

For another thing, the primary thing that women really desire, from the standpoint of sexual attraction, is to be dominated. Of course that little fact is politically incorrect in the extreme, and directly contradicts what feminism claims that women want, so even those very few women who may suspect that about themselves are very unlikely to admit it in public.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:08 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

You know what - I think we might need to get the thoughts of the other Brothas in the round:

What is your view of Roissy? Was I wrong for leaving him out of my open letter to TRL - if so/not, why?

Let's see what the Brothas have to say about that...

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:15 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hey Dragnet,
Thanks for stopping through, don't be a stranger, Man! Also, excellent points you make about appearance, grooming and being the best Man you can be. I don't think it's corny at all - I think it's TRUE. And you've introduced a topic that I should like to come back to at some point in the near future, heh heh. Thanks again...

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:18 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hey Pete,
Yea, as I said, I've yet to read Currie's book, though it's in the cue for me to get to eventually. But its definitely about Direct Game, which is a form or style of Game that I don't necessarily advocate every guy do, because all Men aren't the same insofar as intrinsic attitudes and the like are concerned. I've written about this, and will repost it here at the O-Files very soon - tomorrow, in fact - so definitely stay tuned.

In the meantime, feel free to hit me up if there's anything you need help on; I'll be more than happy to address it to the best of my ability, and if I can't get the job done, as you can see here, there are quite a few sharp Brothas (and Brothas from Another Motha) here who are willing to assist. Just click on my name for my email addy (that goes for anyone else who wants to hit me up), and let er rip!

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:27 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

100% cosign all that you said.

That's it.

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:29 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Whoa, slow your roll, chief! You gettin' into all the juicy stuff before we even got the boy's head on straight, LOL. Nah for real, what you're saying is on-point, no doubt; but we gotta get some other things outta the way before we start getting down to the nitty-gritty, nuts and blots tactical stuff with this Man.

So, with that said - what are some of the "first principles" of Game, do you think a Man MUST know, before he does anything else? And that goes for the rest of the fellas on the thread (and if you're reading along, don't hold the wall up - money seats are in the front!), too.

Comments? Insights? Suggestions? Death threats?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:33 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Good lookin' out for mentioning Assanova and giving him a shoutout - I totally forgot about him. My bad, and thanks again for mentioning the Brotha. He's good.

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 5:37 PM

Posted by Susan Walsh:

Great post, Obs! I'm so glad you took this project on. I can't imagine anyone laying out Game better than you can, especially if you're specifically addressing the needs of black guys. I'm not familiar with Leo's comments, but it sounds like you've really got your work cut out for you here.

Sadly, I'll have to second Deuce's opinion that women don't even know what turns them on. We seriously need to start throwing away what we were taught, swallow our red pill, and own up to our wanting to be dominated.

As Keoni Galt recently pointed out, feminism has ushered in a feminization of men, and masculinization of women. You've provided great resources here to cut through all that noise.

I seriously need to read some Robert Greene.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 6:06 PM

Posted by The Deuce:


"So, with that said - what are some of the "first principles" of Game, do you think a Man MUST know, before he does anything else?"

I think if were to boil it all down to the basic premise, it would be the following four items. All the many specifics of Game (preselection, shit tests, aloofness, telling the rationalization hamster what it wants to hear, etc) follow logically from them:

1) Dominance has roughly the same effect on women that tits have on you.

2) Unlike tits, which are concrete (mostly adipose, actually, but I mean in the philosophical sense) and readily observed, dominance is an abstract quantity which can only be inferred. Women operate (mostly subconsciously) by looking for signs from which they can infer your dominance. When you show those signs, they get turned on.

3) Also unlike a pair of tits, which are absolute and would exist even if there were suddenly no other tits in the world, dominance is an abstract quantity that only exists relative to other people. So a woman's attempts to ascertain your dominance will primarily be based on how you react to other people, most especially to herself.

4) Like your reaction to tits, womens' reaction to dominance is primal and involuntary. However, because dominance is abstract and inferred rather than concrete and immediately observable, women are generally less aware of what precisely is turning them on, and will typically rationalize their response as having some other cause. Their more emotional and subjective and less logical natures amplify this tendency.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 6:49 PM

Posted by The Deuce:

Oops, double post. The moderation queue must've got me because I said a naughty word (repeatedly). Feel free to delete one of them, O.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 6:52 PM

Posted by CSPB:

Great idea for a Blog series. I'm looking forward to it. As a 3 year student of GAME, I'll interject if I choose to. I never stop being a student as I try and teach or introduce others to the art.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 6:53 PM

Posted by dragnet:

Hard to come up with a set of "first principles"---there are so many things I'd want to include. But if someone held a gun to my head and told me I have five seconds to tell a total newbie the most valuable information about picking up women I could, I would say, "Watch what they do, ignore 95 percent of what they say." In it's own way, this simple maxim really covers everything there is to know about Game---it has never let me down. Never.

Other first principles:

1) To be attractive you must be dominant...but not domineering. "Playful dominance" or "amused mastery" are the watchwords.

2) alpha (attraction) + beta (comfort) = sex (mostly alpha, though)

3) Don't pedestalize women. They are not anymore moral, spiritual, intelligent, inscrutable, etc than men are.

3) Attraction is value-based. You demonstrate high value with good looks, confidence, good social skills, etc.

4) Men generally want sex more than women. Women are programmed to view sex as resource to be traded for value. This means that many women will attempt to leverage their sexuality to extract value from men...without delivering on the implied promise. Don't be that sucker.

5) It's best to turn the tables by making yourself the prize to be won. You can do this by demonstrating high value.

6) Attraction is not a rational or conscious choice.

7) Looks are your best investment.

8) You can say anything you want to a woman (ANYTHING) as long as you can endure the consequences. Confidence always wins.

I can go on...

By the way, I'd like to add a nuance to my point above: the important of looks is inversely proportionate to the level of other immediately tangible alpha qualities, in my experience. For instance, if you have fame, wealth or both then you don't need to be good-looking at all, but if you lack outwardly tangible alpha qualities like this then you need to be better looking to even get a chance to spit Game. Not a hard and fast rule, but a useful guideline ho
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 7:08 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hey! Glad to see ya here. Welcome aboard, and by all means, feel free to interject as early and as often as you like. Your insights, comments and suggestions are most welcome.

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:03 PM

Posted by dragnet:

i think i have a post caught in moderation...
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:11 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Again, excellent breakdown on social dominance and how it compares to "big bresasteses", LOL. Any ideas as to what readings or literature that would further illustrate what you're saying here for the benefit of our readers?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:16 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Don't worry, boss; I gotcha covered...

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:17 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Thanks so much again for the bullet list of "first principles"; putting that together with what Deuce said, and what I started out with above in the post today, all kinda comes together to form a "book" of its own, don't it?

Anyone else wanna add to the list here? In your view, what are some of the very first things a Man should know as the first princples of Game?

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:30 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hi Ms. Walsh,
Thanks so much for dropping by and poking your head in the door! I'm surely gonna try to bring a new wrinkle or two to this discussion and hopefully others will help me help our young Man in question. Wish us luck!

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 8:33 PM

Posted by Y:

Hey O,

Astro is going well. Ive been reading some of the links you posted. I haven't been able to dedicate my full attention it because of school and work, but I definitely going to read the Complete Astrologer around Spring Break.
Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 9:17 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Here's an excellent writeup on Iceberg Slim, and an excerpt from his immortal "Pimp": http://joshalanfriedman.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-like-ice.html

Comment and reply, invited.

Friday, February 18th 2011 @ 9:52 PM

Posted by Höllenhund:

"We seriously need to start throwing away what we were taught, swallow our red pill, and own up to our wanting to be dominated."

ROFL! Not gonna happen. Come on, we all know that. Not a chance. The feminist system will surely collapse before that happens. Women never swallow red pills. They are conformists who follow the herd.
Saturday, February 19th 2011 @ 12:01 AM

Posted by Keoni Galt:

Let's hope you get better results with this new project Obs, than you did with David Alexander. lol

Didn't you also actaully help Arpagus out?
Saturday, February 19th 2011 @ 12:57 AM

Posted by Black Collar:

"Women never swallow red pills. They are conformists who follow the herd."

Most people are.
Sunday, February 20th 2011 @ 2:43 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Women are people.

Therefore, what H said was correct.

Sunday, February 20th 2011 @ 6:43 PM

Posted by Obsidian:

Hey KGH,
Thanks for stopping by! And yea, it was I who helpd Arpie out. Guilty as charged! As for DA...I tried. :)

Don't be a stranger!

Sunday, February 20th 2011 @ 7:38 PM


What are the stats on whether female people or male people follow the herd more?
Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 12:44 AM


Did the realist Leo read this yet?
Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 12:45 AM

Posted by Obsidian:

Wrt TRL - I don't know, although my analytics tell me that quite a few people came here from VSB. My hope is that he is among them. Nevertheless, I feel that what he has written and has said is applicable to other Brothas as well, and if any other Brothas are reading this and have dating/mating difficulties, by all means hit me up. I'll do my best to address them, too.

As for your question about stats regarding the herd mentality among Women - you're kidding me right?

Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 1:14 AM

Posted by The Realest Leo:

Yes, I've read this. (To the person that asked.)

First off, let me say that success breeds confidence. It's not the other way around like the old adage goes.

Second, thanks O, for at least trying to help. However, given the circumstances, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done, said, or read to help my case by this point.

I understand enough about this g
Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 4:31 AM

Posted by The Realest Leo:

Sorry about the previous post. I hit submit before I was finished.

O, thanks for the advice.

I'm gonna keep this brief.

By this point, maybe I'm beyond help. I know enough about the Game to know that it's all about attraction. Hell, I've spent the last 26 years of life being the living inverse proof of that statement. If a man has nothing going for him that a woman could be attracted to, no book, newsletter, blog, or psychiatric session will help. Women don't give a damn how mature, intelligent, or respectful a man is. Those aren't the things they lay awake in bed at night fiending for out of the men they are attracted to. Ask any woman that's NOT single what she likes about her man, and the first things she mentions aren't gonna be any of the inner qualities that do matter in the long run...Women don't get hot down under over Tim the accountant or Bill the nuclear astrophysicist.....regardless of how well they treat women or how nicely they dress.

Therefore...a lack of success, which leads to a lack of confidence. When you're not succeeding, it's hard to believe that what you have going is helping you succeed.....BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUCCEEDING.
Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 4:39 AM

Posted by Obsidian:

LOL. Nice try with the woe is me sob story, but there's something you're going to have to understand before we go any further - I've been where you are. I'm a bit older than you and so I've heard it all - and you CAN indeed be successful with Women, IF you do what I and others here tell you. Now, if you've already made it up in your mind that you're not gonna do that, then fine, game over. But that will be because YOU don't want to do better. And that's just it - you can do better. Markedly better, in fact.

I can tell that you haven't read the books I've assigned you, because you wouldn't say the things you just did above. That's cool, but let's be clear here - you're giving up on yourself before you even get out of the gate.

There's more that I want to say here, but I gotta run for now. Take the time to re-read what I've posted over the past few days. I'll be addressing in detail what you said above, very soon. Stick around - it's only bandwith.

Monday, February 21st 2011 @ 6:57 PM

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Obsidian claimed the roots of Game are found among the brothas.
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MAJOR hat tip to Joe Williams! I don’t know the year but WOW! Damn! Alpha?..... no doubt about that!

I remember my grandmother using the term "darkie" with no animosity. In the frigid north, everything was quite vanilla (the food too), especially among the Lutheran Scandinavians. I think when we are too PC, we often don’t give credit where credit is due. So rather than applauding “darkies” learning white wisdom, I’ll be the student.
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Posted by pandora beads:

As promised, here I am to assist you in achieving your sexual, romantic and relationship goals - in that order. And why, specifically, in that order, you may ask? Because as Men, we understand that things usually flow in such an order, *and we need not apologize in the least for that*. As you may be aware, I've been reading your comments at VSB for sometime now; since at least Dec of last year, to present - and you have expressed a litany of concerns and laments, grievances and complaints, as to your woes in the dating and mating sphere.
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